» RE: Try "information Clearing House" Posted by: jags105
| With all respect to Mr. Holland, I think this debate is being conducted by idiots on both sides. The thing about conspiracy theories (and debunking conspiracy theories) is that they give the ignorant and powerless an opportunity to pretend to be knowledgable and important. |
To say that you know that it is an inside job is absurd. To say that you know otherwise is just as absurd. Scientists and pseudo-scientists will make claims to sell books, and others will make claims to the contrary for the same reason, as well as to appear knowledgeable and important (like Rosie).
Was the US government responsible for the people who died on Sept 11th? I don't know. But I do know that WE (as in the American public) are responsible for the people killed in retribution.
number killed on September 11: 2,973
number killed in retribution: AT LEAST 700,000
Do we not care because they are brown?
Note that the number above does not include casualties from Afghanistan. I haven't seen a tally of the dead from Afghanistan. I suspect it is because they are even browner than the Iraqis.
I don't care about September 11th. I don't care if George Bush ordered 911. I don't care about the 2973 people killed in that attack. I am too busy worrying about the new genocide we are about to start, and the ones STILL IN PROGRESS.
This is something that we CAN do something about. This is something that we CAN be less ignorant about. Or we can obsess over one terrorist event that happened one day 6 years ago, and watch our country get obliterated over a skinned knee.
Disclaimer: If a close friend or immediate family member was killed in the September 11th attack, you have my worthless permission to continue your grieving process any way you see fit, within the normal bounds of human decency.
The rest of you are fucking idiots.
» RE: 911 –> NATIONAL CON STATE Posted by: freethink7
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» RE: the birth of the myth Posted by: henderson
| debunked. There has yet to be an official explanation regarding the destruction of WTC 7. The unofficial quasi-government explanations have been thoroughly |
If anyone has not seen the video of WTC 7, I highly recommend you google it and watch it. While watching it keep in mind that the destruction of this building shows ALL eleven signs of a textbook controlled demolition, which are:
Sudden Onset: In controlled demolition, the onset of the collapse is sudden.
Straight Down: The most important thing in a controlled demolition of a tall building close to other buildings is that it comes straight down, into, or at least close to, its own footprint.
Almost Free-Fall Speed: Buildings brought down by controlled demolition collapse at almost free-fall speed.
Total Collapse: Through the careful placement of explosives a controlled demolition achieves a near total collapse of the target building.
Sliced Steel: In controlled demolitions of steel-frame buildings, explosives are used to slice the steel columns and beams into pieces.
Pulverization of Concrete and other Materials: Another feature of controlled demolitions is the production of a lot of dust, because explosives powerful enough to slice steel will pulverize concrete and most other non-metallic substances into tiny particles.
Dust Clouds: Yet another common feature of controlled demolitions is the production of dust clouds, which result when explosions eject the dust from the building with great energy.
Horizontal Ejections: Another common feature of controlled demolitions is the horizontal ejection of other materials, besides dust, from those areas of the building in which explosives are set off.
Demolition Rings: Still another common feature of collapses induced by explosions are demolition rings, in which a series of small explosions run rapidly around a building.
Sounds Produced by Explosions: The use of explosives to induce collapses produces, of course, sounds caused by the explosions.
Molten Steel: An 11th feature that would be expected only if explosives were used to slice the steel columns would be molten steel.
WTC 7 fell in 6.5 seconds at 5:20 on 9/11/01, some 23 minutes AFTER both the BBC and CNN had reported that it had "collapsed." Neither broadcaster has explained their foreknowledge of this unprecedented event. Numerous members of both the FDNY and the NYPD reported hearing explosions in the building before and while it came down.
Do the research, find out for yourself.
It's time to take our country back, brothers and sisters.
The truth shall set us free. Love is the only way forward.
Feingold on Bush: It's incredible that he's vetoing funds he wants... [VIDEO]
"The president is beyond stubborn," "detached from reality," and the best one: "Unless we've shifted into a monarchy," the Congress is doing a legitimate job with this bill and that the president is the one vetoing the funds for the troops. Their responsibility is oversight, the power of the purse, and not just a body of suggesters.
Senator Feingold, who's been pushing a timeline for nearly two years, relays the thoughts of 7 out of 10 Americans that the War on Iraq ought to end. He then proceeds to lay out the plan that he and Harry Reid have in store for doing so...
An expressed assumption, carried forward from the first attack on Iraq, is that Bush blundered into Iraq and will reform once he sees the truth or loses public support.
But if the entire enterprise was pressed on behalf of munitions makers, oil mongers and other corporations benefiting from this rapacious plunder and if it was meant to be in place permenently, then why would Bush ever wish to cease his depradations and withdraw?
One mustn't forget: Bush represents the interests of the Project for a New American Century. It is clear that he must be forced from the field. He is an outlaw.
Sen. Feingold is right. He has been correct since 2000. Putting that aside, why the hell aren't the Dems beginning IMPEACHMENT proceedings for the entire group of vicious Bushies? What good was our Nov. 6, 2006 vote if Bush STILL acts like a king - and a seriously bad one at that? Why is Congress still allowing Bush to SPEAK for the People of the USA? Let's get it right, Dems: Get rid of ALL Bushies and you'll have our votes in 2008.
This is my favorite cameraman of all time. As Bush oozes his way through an attempt to make it look like he's not vetoing the troops' funding (more extensive video with Feingold on Olbermann HERE), Cheney hides in the bushes. Really, really far away...
» RE: How many ways can this conspiracy theory be debunked? Posted by: KCT
» RE: How many ways can this conspiracy theory be debunked? Posted by: lobdillj
» An honest question for you... Posted by: jwc
» I personally can't explain any of it to you- Posted by: jwc
» JWC, you confuse pathetic attempt to refute with debunk. Posted by: rwa
» RE: JWC, you confuse pathetic attempt to refute with debunk. Posted by: EncinoM
» The Popular Mechanics "debunkers" are spewing nonsense.Bold Posted by: BillDouglas
» Doesn't Michael Chertoff's Nephew Run Popular Mechanics? Posted by: freethink7
» RE: The Popular Mechanics "debunkers" are spewing nonsense.Bold Posted by: ChubbyrainPopular Mechanics is owned by the Hurst Corp. An obvious and blantant right wing corp. with a vested interest in protecting the right even if it means lieing. (not a problem for the right). Read "Debunking 9/11 Debunking". It refutes all the Poplular Mechanic's "debunks".
Sometime, somewhere you need to take something to be the truth. But if you cling to it too strongly, then even when the truth comes in person and knocks on your door, you will not open it.
» correction "strong arab and/or muslim states" Posted by: gretavo
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» The thing about leaders is that they're not like followers Posted by: eddie torres
comic relief // Over the past decade, Neil Strauss, former pop music critic for The New York Times, .../... 2005, The Game, his bizarre, hilarious, and surprisingly uplifting memoir of joining a secret society of "Master Pickup Artists." Keep your eye out: he has many more smart and shocking projects on the way.
Neil's Guest REVIEW of
I am fully convinced after reading the entire A-Z of The Alphabet of Manliness that the author of its 26 essays, Maddox, is a nerd. And not just because he correctly alphabetizes the entries, but because he can recite the names of every Castlevania game, talks about hacking and IP addresses and various mathematical theorems, and has just spent way too much time analyzing in minute detail every aspect of the penis, its functions, and its influence on the male brain. However, Maddox's lack of bulging biceps may actually be a positive thing. Because having him become the symbol and policy-maker of all things alpha male just may be one of the most subversive byproducts of the Internet since file-sharing.
If you are new to the world of Maddox and unfamiliar with his website www.thebestpageintheuniverse.com, here's how you will react to the book: When you read the dedication--"to the love of my life, my soul mate, and the greatest person in the world: me"--you will think for a moment that you have encountered one of the most unlikable narcissists in the world. When he calls a woman a "bitch" on page 2, you may actually begin to hate him. But if you stick with it, by the time you get to the middle of the book and are fully immersed in his over-active, over-systematic, testosterone-addled imagination, you will begin to realize that Maddox just may be the Andy Kaufman of his time, in possession of the driest wit you've ever encountered. The middle of the book also happens to be the home of Maddox's finest essays. In his contribution to the geek canon of Chuck Norris worship, he spuriously notes that Norris uses hippies as firewood, intercepts letters to Santa Claus to use as toilet paper, and eats "bread, cheese, some tomato paste and a handful of basil, which sounds like pizza, but it's not because Chuck Norris doesn't want to give the Italians the credit."
In general, there are two types of humor in this book: things that are funny because they're wrong ("a pirate's semen is indestructible") and things that are funny because they're right (his entire essay on urinal etiquette).
By the time you get to his views on the quickie, in which he describes a sexual encounter with his girlfriend that involves her never showing up and him passing out drunk and getting robbed, you may be bookmarking his website. And by the time you turn to the last page, you'll be flipping back to the first, reading it again and looking for the jokes you missed because you were too busy being shocked, offended, and slightly titillated. In short, The Alphabet of Manliness just may be one of the smartest paeans to stupidity ever written. --Neil Strauss
This book is pure comical genius. It follows the humor of his site, but with less of an emphasis on intelligent humor, and instead focuses on young, immature, man loving, flannel wearing humor. I'd advise picking up a copy of this along with Real Ultimate Power by Robert Hamburger, they go well together.
....... Glomski geek says==> I don't know how he does it, but every single sentence in the book is completely and utterly awesome. I'd expect any 204 page book to have one or two sentences that one could mistake for being written by a pansy, but this book is one-hundred-percent [...]stomping action.
Podcast: Someone had the revolutionary idea of taking a compressed audio file and putting it online. Yeah, doesn't sound so sexy when I describe it for what it is, does it you morons? It would have been a great idea if streaming audio wasn't already around for over a decade before the word "podcast" entered the lexicon. Man, I can't stand the word "lexicon." Talking about all these shitty words has made me start using shitty words. I'm so pissed, I just slammed the door shut on some kid's nuts.
Podcasting: It's snob for "streaming audio."
Podcatcher: Any idiot with an iPod, web browser, or ears.
| Think, people ... think --|
Rosie is a citizen who is not timid to ask questions ... and say what is obviously so.
Like ... why is it that Osama Bin Laden is NOT wanted by the FBI for 9/11?
... or -- from:
>From 'WWW.911WEKNOW.COM' ...
The Independent Thinker’s
9/11 FACT SHEET What occurred on September 11th, 2001 is a matter of
facts, physics and unprecedented violations of national
protocol by American officials themselves. Here are
10 points to consider. There are hundreds more. .../...
Finally, a public figure asks the obvious, burning, crucial question. There is little doubt in my mind that 9/11 was an inside job, but I assumed this would go the way of the Kennedy assassination. The public gets so easily distracted and easily intimidated by taunts of "conspiracy theorist."
Fact: Kennedy's assassination was a conspiracy.
Fact: The official explanation of 9/11 is not plausible.
Wake up everyone.
Whenever there are unanswered questions a conspiracy theory fills the vacuum. JFK's assassination spawned several such theories; the latest one in a recent issue of Rolling Stone reported that E. Howard Hunt told his son that LBJ ordered it. The theory that the Bush Administration ordered the hit on the World Trade Center, though highly improbable, is not so far beyond the moon as to attract only cranks and crackpots. Rosie is neither. She is among those who think that, even if the Bushies didn't plan the attack, they are certainly capable of doing so. After all, they had no qualms about causing the deaths of thousands of our own military and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis. What is interesting to me are not Rosie's comments, which are shared by many Americans, but the vehemence of the reaction against her right to speak her mind. When scumbags like Bill O'Reilly and Joe Scarborough start beating the drums to censor her, then you know that the right-wingers have something to hide. For even if the Bushies didn't plan the attacks of 9/11, it's not much of a jump to say that they callously used those attacks to instigate wars that they were itching to start ever since they took office.
Rosie O'Donnell is a sensibly brave woman. We need more, far more like her who are not afraid to speak out.
But then, I'm in Britain and women here would usually rather express the resultant meanness than admit that they are scared by what the globalist militarist junta & their stoolpigeon politicians are doing to all sentient life on this planet.
Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's shit-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation? The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, [yep -they knew it was planned; mystery that they haven't exterminated a few clueless clue-finders, they certainly iced the bomb-planters / js zog ] yet we're expected to believe that they wouldn't be able to nix this kid long before his video ever became popular?
I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my shit, losers.
| The WTC attacks as they happened from a van across the Hudson in Bergen Co., NJ. They were there before the first plane hit, they were dancing in celebration, and lighting cigarette lighters in front of the camera lens like baby boomers at a rock concert calling for an encore. There were local news reports of this at the time, and it all went away very quickly and was hushed up. Where is the videotape they shot? Maybe the wrong people are being accused of the "inside job". I also want to know what happened to the security camera footage of the plane hitting the Pentagon from the Sheraton National (airport) hotel up the hill from the Pentagon. Supposedly, it shows the whole event from a really good perspective, but the videotape was confiscated right after the event and has never been publically shown.|
I don't know if the buildings were wired to implode. But there are many unanswered questions, and the attitude of the Bush administration towards the use of the attacks to carry out their aggressive war policy just seems too pat.
» ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT 9/11--redux Posted by: motamanx
| No one will know for sure what the real reason of the collapse of the WTC one, two and seven. Because no scientitst evidence was collected before it was removed. |
Rosie may not be correct in her conclusion, but the attack of September 11,2001 is a crime. And no criminal investigation was made before the evidence of the crime was removed.
This should be investigated: Why did not the FBI, New York state and local police investigate the crime evidence before it was removed?
» RE: xcellent post!!! AlterNet is a left wing gatekeeping site...Josh opened my eyes. Posted by: babs
| Alex Jones reported the conspiracy on 9/11 two mos. before it happened. Go to infowars.com and you can listen to his radio show which is very enlightening.|
Also google terror storm for almost 2 hrs of video of Jones' factual study of wars that will blow your mind.
Alternet is disappointing in their reports but from what I've seen dems and reps are one and the same. All big business thugs. Ron Paul is a candidate to consider...we need a candidate who doesn't have Israel in their hip pocket.
» RE: "pulled" eh? Posted by: dainin
I don't know for sure if the conspiracy theories re: 9/11 are true or not. I don't believe any one in the public does, due to the black-out and cover up. But SOMETHINGS about the events of that day are not being told. There is way too much speculation out there to not realize that there are problems with, and holes in the generally accepted "official" story. At this point, I wouldn't be suprised at anything our governement does! And that is a very sad thing to have to say.
Another great source for information concerning events leading up to, the day of, and following 9/11 is the book by Michael C. Ruppert called "Crossing the Rubicon".
Two more that give a glimpse of what is really going on in the world re: US foreign policy are "The Bush Agenda...invading the world one economy at a time" by Antonia Juhasz and "Failed States" by Noam Chomsky.
» RE: "FISHY" Ruppert and Chomsky offer nothing more than fall back positions that divert. Posted by: jags105
» RE: "FISHY" Ruppert and Chomsky offer nothing more than fall back positions that divert. Posted by: rwa
» it was as much if not more about framing muslims than the oil Posted by: gretavo
» RE: it was as much if not more about framing muslims than the oil Posted by: jags105
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» RE: Dear Mr. Holland Posted by: JMorse
» But that doesn't fit! Posted by: tweedster---------
» RE: Try "information Clearing House" Posted by: jags105